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Classic Car Watch
Texas vs The World!!!

NOTE: This column displays cars I have found on the Internet. I am not selling them. Please follow the links if you are interest in a car. Be mindful of the date this article was published. For an explanation why I do this read the original column here.

February 22, 2018
By Scott Lewis

OK, that was a click bait title. It is really Texas vs. The Country. No, I am not talking about Texas seceding from the union. I am talking about looking at classic cars from Texas vs. elsewhere around the country.

If you read my last column you know I took a look at over 30 classic cars in one day... all right here in the Big Ole' State of Texas.

Do I really need to go looking nationwide for a classic? And pay hundreds for an inspection and $1,000-$1,500 to have it shipped? Let's find out.

Texas The World

1969 Camaro
Link
Column Shift, Drums
$36,900
1969 Chevrolet Camaro
1969 Camaro
SOLD
Console & Gauges
$32,900
1969 Chevrolet Camaro
1969 Camaro SS
Link
Mint Condition
$39,995

1969 Camaro
Link
5 Speed
$29,900

1969 Camaro
Link
350, 4-Spd, Console
$33,995
1969 Chevrolet Camaro
1969 Camaro
SOLD
Console & Gauges
$31,500
Jumbo Picture of Classic '69 Chevrolet Camaro - $32,000.00 Offered by a Private Seller - KU2H
1969 Camaro
Link
427, Custom Wheels
$32,000

1969 Camaro
Link
327, Auto, Console
$28,900

1969 Camaro - The light blue Camaro is quite pricey for a car with no options. I mean none. Column shift automatic and drum brakes. Really? The first Camaro for The World sold just as I was getting this search underway. Had it been local I could have seen it and made an offer. A nicer car with more options for less money. Duh!

The Fathom Green is $2K out of my price range, and doesn't have A/C. I have been tracking this car since early November. If it were local and I was visiting the dealer once a month, I surely would have made a lower offer... and repeated it with every visit until they broke down and sold it to me... or found a another buyer. Regardless, since it is already over my budget, adding shipping to the mix just keeps this one out of reach.

I had made up my mind to reach out to the dealer with the bright red Camaro (with the black stripes) after seeing the local light blue Camaro. Unfortunately, it was sold by the time I went to send an email. The Garnet Red car is still available and very interesting for a Big Block car. I would love to see it in person. Being non-stock this was a project at some time. Is it worth what they are asking. I can't tell that from photos.

As for the green car in the Texas, I went to see that one on my Dallas trip. The interior is in a word... hideous. If I had more local choices it would never make my list. It is only still here because of the 4 speed.

The black Camaro on the right came up more recently, and is a perfect candidate... if I lived in Florida. And the blue one above it is in North Carolina. If it were in South Carolina I could ask my brother to look at it for me. But it's too far for that.

Texas The World

1968 Camaro
SOLD
5 Speed, A/C
$29,900

1968 Camaro
Link
350 Crate, 4 Speed
$26,500

1968 Camaro SS
Link
350, 4 Speed
$33,000

1968 Camaro
Link
383, 700R4, A/C
$37,998

67-68 Camaro - With so few 1969 Camaros to consider in Texas, we need to start looking at 67 & 68 Camaros. Unfortunately, that does not really help the situation. The teal car above was at one of the dealers I visited, and it was sold (even though it was still showing available on their web site when I got back from my trip). I only have one other 67-68 Camaro on my radar in Texas, a white convertible with red interior, but I am not in the market for a convertible. So it's Nationwide we go. 

Texas The World

1973 Camaro Z/28
Link
#'s Match, Auto, A/C
$36,900

1973 Camaro Z/28
Link
#'s Match, 4-Spd
$29,995

1973 Camaro
Link
Z/28, NOM
$27,995

1973 Camaro
Link
RS, ZZ383, 700R4
$32,998

1972 Camaro RS
Link
350/2, 4 Speed, A/C
$29,900

1973 Camaro RS
Link
350, Auto, A/C
$25,995

1973 Camaro
Link
Crate, Console, Gauges
$22,900

1973 Camaro
Link
350, Auto
$24,995

2nd Generation Camaro - Moving onto 2nd Generation Camaros opens the door for more possibilities. The two cars from Texas are both in New Braunfels and very nice. However, just looking at the ads, there is a red 1973 Z/28 with a 4 speed for $7,000 less in Illinois. I wish I could see both for a direct comparison. As for The World, only one is over $30K and it has a 435 HP Crate engine, 700-R4 overdrive automatic, 9 Inch rear end & 4 wheel disc brakes. Why can't that car be local. All the other 2nd Gen cars beat the Texas cars on price and/or features. 

Texas The World

1965 Mustang
Link
V-8 Conversion
$34,995

1966 Mustang
Link
Pony Int., 289, Auto
$33,998

1965 Mustang
Link
4 Speed, A/C
$34,995

1966 Mustang
Link
Console, A/C, Gauges
$32,995

Mustang Fastback - This is the most interesting group. Notice that the Green Texas Fastback is the most expensive. Yes, it is a tie with one of the red cars, but that car has a 4 speed & A/C and is an original, unrestored car in very nice condition. Surely worth more than the Green Mustang that is a conversion from a 6 cylinder car with no real options. Not even disc brakes. Texas comes up short here.

Texas The World

1966 Mustang GT
Link
4 Speed, A/C
$38,900

1966 Mustang GT
Link
4 Speed, A/C, Gauges
$27,995

1965 Mustang GT
Link
Pony, 4 Speed, A/C
$32,900
1966 Ford Mustang K-Code, 289 HIPO, 4-Speed, GT Rally PAC w/Pony Int - Manchester NH
1966 Mustang GT
Link
K-Code, Pony, 4 Speed
$37,900

Mustang GT - The White Mustang GT just seems overpriced. Compare it to the second most expensive Mustang GT here... the Emberglo car with the Tan vinyl roof. That car has a Pony Interior and a K-Code motor (pretty rare) and should be priced more than the white car with its standard interior. At least it has A/C. I really like the Red one for $33K, but would love to compare it in person to the other red car for $5K less. That is just not possible without spending a lot of money... before making an offer or buying a car. There is another Mustang GT in Texas, and it is still on my radar, but these cars show my point very well. Since it is easier to shop for cars you can go see on a Saturday, you feel cheated that you can't make side by side comparisons to other cars that may be worth the effort to buy and ship.

Texas The World
1970 Chevy Monte Carlo
1970 Monte Carlo
Link
Needs Paint
$19,800

1970 Monte Carlo
Link
Working A/C
$24,995

1972 Monte Carlo
Link
402 Big Block, A/C
$27,500
1971 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS
1972 Monte Carlo
Link
SS454, A/C, Mint
$35,997

Monte Carlo - Here is my best example. The green Monte Carlo here in Texas has paint issues, that never would be seen in the photos. I drove this car and it drove excellent. However, if I had not visited this car in person I would not know the real condition of the paint. Had this car been out of state this would come up in an independent inspection... for a few hundred dollars. I found two other Monte Carlos in Texas in the same price range, but both of those were sold just before I got to their dealers. Darn. That means going out of state to get a nicer car that doesn't need a paint job. The silver car is the one I really want. It is at the very top of my budget, so adding in an inspection for a few hundred dollars and shipping from Florida would likely put it over my budget. If the silver SS454 was local I would go drool over it and harass the dealer with offers until they broke down and sold it to me or someone else. Well, assuming I really want a car that likely gets 10 mpg. 

Texas The World

1972 Challenger
Link
340, Auto, A/C
$29,995
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1974 Challenger
SOLD
360, Auto
$24,900

1972 Barracuda
Link
340 NOM, Auto
$29,900

1970 Challenger
SOLD
$29,995
       

Challenger - This time I really had a hard time. I have at least twice as many Challengers and/or Cudas outside of Texas on my radar. I only put three here. This is also another perfect example. Just looking at the two red Challengers, we have a $5K price difference. And I saw the one from Texas and it is a plain, clean car... leaking tranny and power steering fluid. I have a hard time thinking it is worth $5K more than the one with the black roof. But I can't just drove on a Sunday to Michigan to look at the other car. More importantly is the 70 Challenger R/T with a 383 located in Atlanta... for the same price!!! I really need to see this car in person. Crap! I have an old friend that lives near Atlanta. It might be time to pull in a favor.

Texas The World

1964 Biscayne
Link
$23,995

1969 GTX
Link
$27,900

1966 Toronado
SOLD
$16,900

1970 Cutlass
Link
$29,995

1967 Grand Prix
Link
$29,995

1970 Nova
SOLD
$24,995
1970 Pontiac Firebird – Super Clean
1970 Firebird
Link
$24,900

1976 Grand Prix
Link
$13,500

1967 Cougar
Link
$28,995
used 1979 Pontiac Trans AM  | Lakeland, FL
1979 Trans Am
SOLD
$26,000

1968 Cougar XR7 GT
SOLD
$31,000
1972 Buick GS
1972 GS 3500
Link
$24,995

1968 Impala Conv.
Link
$27,995

1970 Chevelle
Link
$32,900
1965 Chevrolet Impala
1965 Impala SS
Link
$32,950

1969 Chevelle
Link
$29,900

Odd-Balls - Some of these cars don't fit into a category all there own. Well, Chevelles and other GM A-Body cars do, but I don't like as many of them to give them an entire section. The Biscayne, Teal Grand Prix and Impala Convertible are guilty pleasures. I like to see really nice versions of older cars than I don't normally look at. The Cougar is the best car here for being closer to the cars above. But I see very few Cougars. Granted, I was tracking the green Cougar XR7 GT with its 390 Big Block for quite a while, but it sold as I was looking around Texas. If it were easier to see in person I might have bought it.

The same with the red Nova. I don't see many Novas in this nice of condition for a reasonable price, no less in Texas. As for the Cutlass, it is likely one of the nicest cars on this entire page. But I am not looking for a plain Cutlass that happens to be a super clean, low mileage car. If I saw it in person I might be persuaded to buy it. The same with the orange Toronado, which I had planned to see when I go to NY/NJ later this year, but it sold as I was writing this column.

The Black 76 Grand Prix is nostalgia kicking me in the ass. I drove my mom's in high school and a lot of college. In fact, she gave it to me so I would loan my brother money to get a car. I signed it back over to her the day I shipped out to the Air Force!

I really like the Red 69 Chevelle RestoMod. It should be a hoot to drive.

This is really the worst section for me. I like oddballs. And all of the cars from around the country are cars I want to buy without seeing them in person. That's a tough call to make.

Conclusion

Just look a this page. There are 39 cars from around the country (if there is a link present it was for sale when this article was published on 2/21/2018), and 13 from Texas.

That is a lot of cars I would like to compare, but I can't. I would pretty much have to make up my mind on one of them and then start investing hard cash to have it inspected, and then negotiate based on that alone. An inspection can't reveal if I just don't like how it drives. Then I am stuck with a car I might not like. Do I spend a few hundred more to fly out and see it. Now we are talking time off from work and really money.

Ultimately, a car has to be very special for me to go through the trouble of looking outside of Texas. I am doing my best to narrow my choices to 4 or 5 cars in Texas, and trying to get test drives in them. Hopefully then I can make up my mind.

Texas Rules!

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